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Manafort revieved a 00/10/2016 and 08/11/2016-sail chain from Manafort to times wherein Manafort first wrote "Dimitri Lets chat" and ended with an e-mail to Manafort's assistant "Pis call Jarred's assistant to get the time and location of my meeting on August 17 with Jared and Dinitri Sines. The meeting never happened. Hanafort does not recall why he responded to simes "lets chat," Manafort probably talked with Kushner that day. Manafort guesses that Kushner must have wanted the meeting. Manafort would not have responded to Bimes based on Kushner's "suggestion only. In order of likelihood, Kushner may have wanted the meeting becauan Henry Kissinger cecommended it, because of Simes's Information on the Clintons and Russia or because someone liked the policy information in the mano, Sines workad for a think tank that believed the 12.8. needed to be firm but alan to work with Russia. Simea'a ideas vere very specific, Trump did not like that sort of detall to box him into a position. Trump and Manafort agreed to focus foreign policy on tran, Horth Korea and the U.S. Allies's lack of payments to 10 and the U. B. These policies were easy, Russia and China vere more difficult. Sines would have gained Trump's attention with the Clinton information, which was red meat, not the nuances of foreign policy. Manafort and Kushner were both very busy at this time. Manafort was dealing with the ☐ Nanafort's issues in the news and prepacing the campaign strategy. in case he left Kushner was dealing with social media, scheduling for Trump and Trump's debate practice.

Collusion between Russia and Trump not really a campaign issue. Robby Mock's charges of collusion were not taken seriously within the Trump Campaign because they were wrong. The Campaign's only response was to release Manafort.

From the time he left the Campaign until the election, Hanafort met once or twine with Kushner and spoke five or six times with him so the telephone. They both reached out to each other. Trump and the Family knew that Hanafort and Rushner were talking. Kushner thought it would be good for Hanafort to call Trump. Manafort and Trump talked a fov times before the election. As to the substance of their calls, Manafort only recalls that once he gave Trump advice on Trump's performance in the second debate and gave Trump ideas for the third debate.

On November 5, 2016, Manafort e-mailed a "Securing the Victory" document to Kushnaz, Kushner acknowledged getting the document. Manafort does not recall discussing it with Kushner Manafort described Trump a20 vulnerable to attack because people would not understand how Trump won and would be looking for reasons. Manafort had no information that Russia hacked voting machines. Hanafort presumed it would be claim by

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On the day that the Steele dossier came out, Manafort told Trump that the information in the dossier about Manafort was not true, including the payments in the cash Ledger. Trump told Manafort that the information about Hichasi Cohen in Prague and Tramp in Moscow true. Truпр similarly not generally upset that his victory was being undermined. Manafort had first called Priebus to say that the Information vas false. Priebus arranged time for Manafort to call and speak with Trump. Manafort did not tell Trump about any of the Steels dossier research by

Manafort does not know why Tanukovych fled to Russia instead of sonewhere in Europe. Manafort believes that after Yanukovych did not sign the Vilnius Agreement that the West aligned against him. Putin had

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San Fatten vas interviewed at the office of Special Counsel in washington, D.C. Fresent at the interview were 35 _ and Senior Special Prosecutor (SP) Andrew Weissmann. Fatton was represented by attorney Stuart Bears, Schertler & represented by attorney Onorato, LLP, and parallegal Patton was presented with proffer agreement which he and his attorney signed and dated. SP Weissmann explained the proffer agreement to Patton and his attorney, and they stated they had no questions regarding the agreement. After being advised of the identity of the intervieving Agent and the nature of the interview, Patten provided the following information:

Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC)

In January 2017, sometime in the teans (days),

Patten advised that in 2000, while he worked on the Bush campaign, he obtained tickets for the PIC and this his first "orientation to the PIC. Fatten personally believed that paying for FIC tickets was waste of money, but pursued the matter because his client, wanted the tickets.

Patten contacted his friend to sosit te had any contacts at the PIC who he could leverage to get tickets. did have contacta tickets. advised that he the PIC and eventually he was able to procure four

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contributions to the PIC. Patten was aware of this rule from an email that sent him from the FIC, which stated that the PIC could not accept contributions from foreign nationals. However, the small stated that a foreign national could attend the PIC as long as they did not provide any financial contribution.

Fatten stated that was utilized as the straw purchaser for the PIC tickets so it would conceal that the tickets were being paid by a foreign national. Patten's expectation was that would pay Patten back for the tickets and Patten would then pay back Patten stated that he understood that disclosing that foreign national, was actually paying for the PIC tickets was illegal and wrong

Ultimately contributed money to the FIC and obtained four tickets.

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did not have written contract for the work they conduct for provides with Ukrainian political advice. In 2015, Fatten worked en mayoral campaign. Patten was paid from an offshore utilized to pay Patten. However, told entity, Patten that the money came from him. Patten understood that payments from an offshore account considered "clean money" which accountable. Patten had seen other people in Ukraine being paid in cash provided in brown paper bags. Patten stated that this was not "clean money."

Konstantine Kilimnik

Fatten's relationship with Kilimnik dates back to 2001 when Kilimnik worked for Patten at the International Republican Institute (IRI) In Russia. was the IRI employee who hired Patten. Prior to IBI, Patten worked for Senator Collins. At IRI, Patton first reported to ☐ and thes Patten was the only expat who worked at IRI's Russia offion. on. ERI's ERE'S mission in Russia was to engage with all political parties in Russia, but Patten focused on the Bussian liberal parties. Kilimnik was the most senior foreign national working at II when Patten arrived. Patten did not know how Kilianik ended up working for IEI. While at IRI, Kilimnik sometimes traveled to other IRI offices in other countries to help train employees. Patten left Russia to work for IKI in Iraq in 2004. During his time at IRI, Kilimák and Fatten became a friends.

had Patten'a position

at II prior to Patten's arrival. Kilimnis told Patten that introduced Kilimnik to Hanafort. Killamik worked for Manafort while also working at IRI which violated IKI's policy. Ultimately, this is why Kilimnik was fired from IRI. with the "bad guys L.e. VY. Revolution While working for Manafort, Kilimnik worked Conversely, IRI supported the Orange fired Kilimnik from IBI. Patten never heard that Rilimnik was fired because of his connections to Russian intelligence.

Patten stated that people joked that Kilimnik was a Russian intelligence officer. Patten stated that Kilimnik was a translator when he in the Bussian army for 7 years and then he worked in the Russian

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armament industry selling arma/military equipment. Kilimnik had special

language training in English and Swedish.

After Patten left IRI.

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